<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: On rejecting Keith Preston</title>
	<atom:link href="http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/</link>
	<description>Abolition, Nullification and Revolution</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:50:29 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Roderick T. Long</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2127</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick T. Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2127</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would seem as though what Keith is advocating is a purge of non-anarchists from the movement.&lt;/i&gt;

There are non-anarchists in the anarchist movement?  That&#039;s news to me.  

I think it&#039;s pretty clear from his article what Keith is advocating is the purge of cultural leftists -- meaning, in this context, those who oppose racism, sexism, and (apparently especially) homophobia/transphobia -- from the anarchist movement.  Hence his call for a &quot;non-leftoidal anarchist movement.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would seem as though what Keith is advocating is a purge of non-anarchists from the movement.</i></p>
<p>There are non-anarchists in the anarchist movement?  That&#8217;s news to me.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty clear from his article what Keith is advocating is the purge of cultural leftists &#8212; meaning, in this context, those who oppose racism, sexism, and (apparently especially) homophobia/transphobia &#8212; from the anarchist movement.  Hence his call for a &#8220;non-leftoidal anarchist movement.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rodney</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2121</guid>
		<description>It would seem as though what Keith is advocating is a purge of non-anarchists from the movement. And the calls for him the &quot;repent&quot; and &quot;get with it&quot; and the like, from his detractors read like an affirming appendix to his article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem as though what Keith is advocating is a purge of non-anarchists from the movement. And the calls for him the &#8220;repent&#8221; and &#8220;get with it&#8221; and the like, from his detractors read like an affirming appendix to his article.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roderick T. Long</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick T. Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2097</guid>
		<description>Keith,

&lt;i&gt;My critics from the Left rarely if ever offer arguments against my own positions. Nor do they even make any attempt to understand my views correctly. What they do is engage in lies, obscurantism, misrepresentations, personal attacks, slander, and “cyberstalking” as others have termed it.&lt;/i&gt;

Who, other than Aster, is this supposed to apply to?  I seem to recall quite a few arguments offered against your positions in the various discussions in ALL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p><i>My critics from the Left rarely if ever offer arguments against my own positions. Nor do they even make any attempt to understand my views correctly. What they do is engage in lies, obscurantism, misrepresentations, personal attacks, slander, and “cyberstalking” as others have termed it.</i></p>
<p>Who, other than Aster, is this supposed to apply to?  I seem to recall quite a few arguments offered against your positions in the various discussions in ALL.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roderick T. Long</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2095</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick T. Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2095</guid>
		<description>Keith was not &quot;excommunicated from the anarchist blogosphere.&quot;  Most of us in ALL were on more-or-less friendly terms with him until he called for his purge/pogrom against cultural leftists.  We didn&#039;t kick him out.  He attacked us out and then stalked off with his toys to go build a &quot;non-leftoidal anarchist movement.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith was not &#8220;excommunicated from the anarchist blogosphere.&#8221;  Most of us in ALL were on more-or-less friendly terms with him until he called for his purge/pogrom against cultural leftists.  We didn&#8217;t kick him out.  He attacked us out and then stalked off with his toys to go build a &#8220;non-leftoidal anarchist movement.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Keith Preston</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2055</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2055</guid>
		<description>Marja,

&quot;Keith Preston deliberately choose not to focus on the arguments against him,&quot;

My critics from the Left rarely if ever offer arguments against my own positions. Nor do they even make any attempt to understand my views correctly. What they do is engage in lies, obscurantism, misrepresentations, personal attacks, slander, and &quot;cyberstalking&quot; as others have termed it. 

&quot;but on the personal attributes of some of his critics. (I stayed out of the debate until *after* he first did so).&quot;

Sounds like special pleading to me. Others have demanded the right to engage in the behavior described above towards me, and then declare their personal sensitivities to be off-limits so far as rhetorical retalitation goes. It&#039;s not going to be that easy.

&quot;We did not choose these attributes, and we have faced irrational hatred and physical violence for these attributes. Queer folk face systemic discrimination in America, and trans folk face the very real risk of murder for being trans.&quot;

I&#039;ve actually written about issues that overlap with this in the past:

http://attackthesystem.com/the-last-minority/

&quot;And the passage slurs, and calls for the “purge” if not “pogrom” of us.&quot;

I was speaking metaphorically. What needs to be &quot;purged&quot; is the ideology of political correctness and the grip it has on the minds of many liberals, leftists, libertarians and anarchists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marja,</p>
<p>&#8220;Keith Preston deliberately choose not to focus on the arguments against him,&#8221;</p>
<p>My critics from the Left rarely if ever offer arguments against my own positions. Nor do they even make any attempt to understand my views correctly. What they do is engage in lies, obscurantism, misrepresentations, personal attacks, slander, and &#8220;cyberstalking&#8221; as others have termed it. </p>
<p>&#8220;but on the personal attributes of some of his critics. (I stayed out of the debate until *after* he first did so).&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like special pleading to me. Others have demanded the right to engage in the behavior described above towards me, and then declare their personal sensitivities to be off-limits so far as rhetorical retalitation goes. It&#8217;s not going to be that easy.</p>
<p>&#8220;We did not choose these attributes, and we have faced irrational hatred and physical violence for these attributes. Queer folk face systemic discrimination in America, and trans folk face the very real risk of murder for being trans.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually written about issues that overlap with this in the past:</p>
<p><a href="http://attackthesystem.com/the-last-minority/" >http://attackthesystem.com/the-last-minority/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;And the passage slurs, and calls for the “purge” if not “pogrom” of us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was speaking metaphorically. What needs to be &#8220;purged&#8221; is the ideology of political correctness and the grip it has on the minds of many liberals, leftists, libertarians and anarchists.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2054</link>
		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2054</guid>
		<description>Keith Preston deliberately choose not to focus on the arguments against him, but on the personal attributes of some of his critics. (I stayed out of the debate until *after* he first did so). We did not choose these attributes, and we have faced irrational hatred and physical violence for these attributes. Queer folk face systemic discrimination in America, and trans folk face the very real risk of murder for being trans. And the passage slurs, and calls for the &quot;purge&quot; if not &quot;pogrom&quot; of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith Preston deliberately choose not to focus on the arguments against him, but on the personal attributes of some of his critics. (I stayed out of the debate until *after* he first did so). We did not choose these attributes, and we have faced irrational hatred and physical violence for these attributes. Queer folk face systemic discrimination in America, and trans folk face the very real risk of murder for being trans. And the passage slurs, and calls for the &#8220;purge&#8221; if not &#8220;pogrom&#8221; of us.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Keith Preston</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2047</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2047</guid>
		<description>Dixie, Josh, and Nitroadict,

Thanks for the good words.

My actual politics are those of a classical left-wing anarchist (Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin,Malatesta, etc.). Where I differ from the modern anarchist movement is that I take a good old fashioned paleocon &quot;isolationist&quot; approach to foreign policy rather than some kind of abstract universalism or internationalism. Such a policy has been pursued by the Swiss and Swedes for quite some time, and it&#039;s worked well for them, even keeping them out of the two world wars. The &quot;human rights internationalism&quot; of the modern left inevitably leads to imperialism, and serves as a smokescreen for imperialism (see Chomsky on &quot;military humanism&quot;).

I also reject the left/right &quot;culture war&quot; psychology that many anarchists adhere to. Instead, I favor &quot;peace through separatism&quot;, i.e., a decentralized pluralism where different kinds of rival cultures are political sovereign within the context of the local communities where they are dominant.

I take a much harder line against political correctness as well, as I regard this as the Communism of the 21st century.

Strategically, I&#039;m for a greater emphasis on combating the state itself, the ruling class and imperialism, and less emphasis on attacking social prejudices opposed by leftists and liberals, e.g., all of the various &quot;isms&quot;, &quot;archies&quot;, and &quot;phobias.&quot; This in part means building strategic alliances with enemies of the ruling class from various ideological viewpoints, including some with a socially conservative outlook.

For these reasons, I have been subject to repeated personal attacks, slander of the most extreme sort, and threats of violence for years. The root of the problem is that my enemies are totalitarians who wish to impose their own cultural values on everyone else, e.g., imposing &quot;women&#039;s liberation&quot; whether the individual women want it or not, or pushing &quot;anti-racism&quot; of the most reductionist sort, whether individual racial minorities want anything to do with them or not. 

Ultimately, however, I&#039;m going to win. The forces of anarchism and the forces of political correctness will eventually diverge, and the latter will become so status quo, authoritarian, stifling and boring that no professed &quot;revolutionary&quot; can uphold it without getting roars of laughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dixie, Josh, and Nitroadict,</p>
<p>Thanks for the good words.</p>
<p>My actual politics are those of a classical left-wing anarchist (Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin,Malatesta, etc.). Where I differ from the modern anarchist movement is that I take a good old fashioned paleocon &#8220;isolationist&#8221; approach to foreign policy rather than some kind of abstract universalism or internationalism. Such a policy has been pursued by the Swiss and Swedes for quite some time, and it&#8217;s worked well for them, even keeping them out of the two world wars. The &#8220;human rights internationalism&#8221; of the modern left inevitably leads to imperialism, and serves as a smokescreen for imperialism (see Chomsky on &#8220;military humanism&#8221;).</p>
<p>I also reject the left/right &#8220;culture war&#8221; psychology that many anarchists adhere to. Instead, I favor &#8220;peace through separatism&#8221;, i.e., a decentralized pluralism where different kinds of rival cultures are political sovereign within the context of the local communities where they are dominant.</p>
<p>I take a much harder line against political correctness as well, as I regard this as the Communism of the 21st century.</p>
<p>Strategically, I&#8217;m for a greater emphasis on combating the state itself, the ruling class and imperialism, and less emphasis on attacking social prejudices opposed by leftists and liberals, e.g., all of the various &#8220;isms&#8221;, &#8220;archies&#8221;, and &#8220;phobias.&#8221; This in part means building strategic alliances with enemies of the ruling class from various ideological viewpoints, including some with a socially conservative outlook.</p>
<p>For these reasons, I have been subject to repeated personal attacks, slander of the most extreme sort, and threats of violence for years. The root of the problem is that my enemies are totalitarians who wish to impose their own cultural values on everyone else, e.g., imposing &#8220;women&#8217;s liberation&#8221; whether the individual women want it or not, or pushing &#8220;anti-racism&#8221; of the most reductionist sort, whether individual racial minorities want anything to do with them or not. </p>
<p>Ultimately, however, I&#8217;m going to win. The forces of anarchism and the forces of political correctness will eventually diverge, and the latter will become so status quo, authoritarian, stifling and boring that no professed &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; can uphold it without getting roars of laughter.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Program for a fictional ARV-ATS Scholars Conference</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2040</link>
		<dc:creator>Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Program for a fictional ARV-ATS Scholars Conference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2040</guid>
		<description>[...] at the No Treason site, Josh Rhodes made the following point concerning the recent rhetorical warfare between myself and some in the &#8220;left-libertarian&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at the No Treason site, Josh Rhodes made the following point concerning the recent rhetorical warfare between myself and some in the &#8220;left-libertarian&#8221; [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dixie Flatline</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>Dixie Flatline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2026</guid>
		<description>smally,

Unless you think most (or all) gays and anti-racists are

&lt;blockquote&gt;self-hating whites, bearded ladies, cock-ringed queers, or persons of one or another surgically altered “gender identity”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

then I can&#039;t see where the connection can be made, particularly given the other statements (which are very clear) in the post by Keith.

That said, I would love to be disassociated from anti-racists.  I think their cultural leftism is a turnoff.  And I say this as a non-white.  I can&#039;t speak for all people of diverse or non-caucasian racial makeup, but I for one am tired of some people (predominantly white) telling me to be indignant about racism, ostensibly to satisfy some sense of guilt they may have.

I&#039;ll have a follow up post this week on anti-racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smally,</p>
<p>Unless you think most (or all) gays and anti-racists are</p>
<blockquote><p>self-hating whites, bearded ladies, cock-ringed queers, or persons of one or another surgically altered “gender identity”</p></blockquote>
<p>then I can&#8217;t see where the connection can be made, particularly given the other statements (which are very clear) in the post by Keith.</p>
<p>That said, I would love to be disassociated from anti-racists.  I think their cultural leftism is a turnoff.  And I say this as a non-white.  I can&#8217;t speak for all people of diverse or non-caucasian racial makeup, but I for one am tired of some people (predominantly white) telling me to be indignant about racism, ostensibly to satisfy some sense of guilt they may have.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have a follow up post this week on anti-racism.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: smally</title>
		<link>http://notreason.com/2009/06/21/on-rejecting-keith-preston/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator>smally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://notreason.com/?p=697#comment-2024</guid>
		<description>You write &quot;Nowhere did Keith call for a purge of gays and I’m not sure he called for a purge of anti-racists either.&quot;

So just what is Preston calling for when he writes: 

&quot;As for the rest of us in the anarchist milieu, I say it’s time for a purge, if not an outright pogrom ... Do we really attract more people into our ranks by having so many self-hating whites, bearded ladies, cock-ringed queers, or persons of one or another surgically altered “gender identity” in our midst? Is this really something the average rebellious young person wants to be associated with?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write &#8220;Nowhere did Keith call for a purge of gays and I’m not sure he called for a purge of anti-racists either.&#8221;</p>
<p>So just what is Preston calling for when he writes: </p>
<p>&#8220;As for the rest of us in the anarchist milieu, I say it’s time for a purge, if not an outright pogrom &#8230; Do we really attract more people into our ranks by having so many self-hating whites, bearded ladies, cock-ringed queers, or persons of one or another surgically altered “gender identity” in our midst? Is this really something the average rebellious young person wants to be associated with?&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
